Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

…so cue-up the Green Day because from Minnesota comes :-

Atheists identified as America’s most distrusted minority, according to new U of M study

MINNEAPOLIS / ST. PAUL (3/20/2006) — Americans increasing acceptance of religious diversity doesnt extend to those who dont believe in a god, according to a national survey by researchers in the University of Minnesotas department of sociology.

From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in sharing their vision of American society. Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry.

Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public. Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years, says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the studys lead researcher.

Edgell also argues that todays atheists play the role that Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the pastthey offer a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common core of values that make them trustworthy – and in America, that core has historically been religious, says Edgell. Many of the studys respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.

Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting social disorder is behind the findings. Americans believe they share more than rules and procedures with their fellow citizens – they share an understanding of right and wrong, she said. Our findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as self-interested individuals who are not concerned with the common good.

The researchers also found acceptance or rejection of atheists is related not only to personal religiosity, but also to ones exposure to diversity, education and political orientation – with more educated, East and West Coast Americans more accepting of atheists than their Midwestern counterparts.

The study is co-authored by assistant professor Joseph Gerteis and associate professor Doug Hartmann. Its the first in a series of national studies conducted the American Mosaic Project, a three-year project funded by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family Foundation that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the contemporary United States. The study will appear in the April issue of the American Sociological Review.

My emphasis throughout.

Now here’s the funny thing: I know at least two sets of committed Christians, and one Mormon, all of whom have suggested to me that the best way to “find a nice girl to settle down with” is by getting myself down to Church and mixing it up.

Often, they’ve been doing the nudge nudge wink wink thing at the same time.

Now these people know me, my opinions, and that it’ll be a cold day in a nonexistent hell before I start believing in some sort of god; therefore I have to wonder whether they aren’t (a) trying to cause some mischevious amusement, (b) trying to corrupt their peers, or (c) hope that sex will achieve what prayer won’t.

Of course there is – in their sentiment – a variety of infix assumptions about “Church” and “Nice Girls”; to be honest I am at a loss to wonder from what angle they’re approaching the suggestion, since all the ex-convent-schoolgirls I’ve ever known have been right up there with the St Trinian’s mob for bad behaviour.

Or maybe that’s just Catholicism for you?

Not all of them are quite so blasé about the dangers of my unbelief – I was visiting Christian friends a few months ago when their weekly prayer-group trooped in, one of whom after introductions was positively gung-ho about the prospect of me talking to them.

I concured with my host that it was unwise – just think of the embarrassment lest I had actually convinced one of them that there is no point to life, that you do die when you die, that you are all alone and meaningless, and that because of this all life on earth is tremendously more valuable than you’ve ever previously conceived because there is no heaven in which the injustices can ever be sorted out, nor will the books ever be balanced…

…as social faux-pas go, it’d trounce “using the wrong fork”.

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11 responses to “Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…”

  1. trackback
    referral

    http found.pale.org/index.cgi?archive-032006.htm#2515

  2. Dave Walker
    re: Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

    Hmm. “more than 2000 households”? A pretty small sample when it comes to America, in anyone’s book. At least they were careful to spread them out geographically.

    Unfortunately the U of M server is busy atm (I guess this report is making it suffer the slashdot effect), but I’d be interested in seeing where Atheists rank when compared to Satanists (both LaVey-style and others), SubGenii, followers of the various polytheistic religions, and “others” – aka “those whose beliefs do not map onto any known religion, but who aren’t Atheists either”.

    My suspicion is that the U of M may not have asked such questions, which is why I’d really like to see whether the site has a copy of the set of questions asked :-).

  3. Chris Samuel
    re: Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

    It’s even appearing in tech circles too, like an LWN article about “A Day in the Life of the CentOS team” where they go through one particularly painful email exchange with the clueless city manager who believes that CentOS has “hacked” his city’s webserver because he gets the default Apache page when he goes to it (really his service provider has stuffed up).

    lwn.net/Articles/177085/

    One person commenting on the story wrote:

    [start quote]

    Seems like fundamental US problems are rising from it current largely atheist shape just the way it was with SU. (judging both from what I see and from what friends of mine who live in US now say)

    [end quote]

  4. alecm
    open source smartarses

    I read the article, and am not sympathetic; yeah the guy at the other end was a dolt, but the responses they were providing were poorly structured and rather condescending without even being helpful. Extract:

    =============

    I feel sorry for your city. CentOS is an operating system. It is probably installed on the computer that runs your website.

    We hope you are happy with it, since we produced it for free and you are able to use it without paying us … and are even threatening to have us arrested for providing to you free of charge.

    =============

    …whereas I *have* had similar e-mails from people at big corps demanding to know who I am and why I am sending them e-mails telling them to change their passwords.

    Generally I found that rather than getting sniffy and doing the “WE ARE LEET LINUX OPEN SOURCE GODS, PHEER OUR SLASHDOT-FU, U L0SER, YOU 0WE US, B0W DOWN BEFORE OUR P3NGU1N” from get-go, instead politely explaining their error with context, courtesy and history got you a much better and quicker solution – and then you can make just as much fun of them, later-on[1] 🙂

    I’d post a followup to LWN but I can’t be arsed to register.

    Damn, I suppose they’ll just have to continue to be shallow, sneering, open-source smartarses.

    [1] http http://www.crypticide.com/users/alecm/security/crack-users.txt

  5. alecm
    atheism

    ps: figures from The Economist this week:

    %age of Americans regularly attending church: 40%

    %age of Britons regularly attending church: 7%

    …so the muppet who suggests that the US has a “largely atheist shape” is deeply, DEEPLY uninformed, as well as subject to a fallacy that wider Church attendance/belief would change anything.

    Want a good tale of the simple honesty of folk living in times when the Church was supreme?

    Feed the word “Borgia” into Wikipedia…

  6. alecm
    Christian Dating Service ?

    from my referrer-spam: www (dot) uschristianfinder (dot) com – serendipitous, or what?

  7. Mozza
    re: Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

    Ahem

    <quote> “since all the ex-convent-schoolgirls I’ve ever known have been right up there with the St Trinian’s mob for bad behaviour.

    Or maybe that’s just Catholicism for you? ” <end quote>

    All of us? I’m shocked. I behave really well in public, or so I’ve been told. Actually I behave really well in private as well. I even helped with the washing up at your house. Never again, young Alec! <vbg>

  8. alecm
    re: Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

    Hey, come off it Maur, you may be at the respectable end of the scale in many ways, but (a) I’ve seen you moshing on stage with a mohican and (b) under that pressed uniform beats the heart of a total wild-child.

  9. Mozza
    re: Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

    Busted! <vbeg>

  10. Geoff Arnold
    re: Hey, Great, I Always Wanted To Be In A Minority…

    Not just a minority, but a minority that is (in the US, anyway) discriminated against. See http geoffarnold.com/?p=956 in my blog. I’d add a quote, but since Dropsafe doesn’t accept innocuous HTML like blockquote….

  11. alecm
    blockquote

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    …works. 😎

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