Surprised at Antinous, moderator of #BoingBoing forums, coming down as pro-censorship

From this thread on Twitter censorship of German fascists, blocking only other Germans from seeing their Tweets:

Quote:

Navin_Johnson: Disgusting speech is best fought with more speech, not less.

Antinous: We have more access to information about fascist groups than ever before and fascism is on the rise. Your statement is an optimistic meme and has no factual basis.

Well, it’s less a meme, more of a philosophical and political aspiration that has been cited many times throughout history, notably Judge Louis Brandeis: [source]

Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence. Only an emergency can justify repression. Such must be the rule if authority is to be reconciled with freedom. Such, in my opinion, is the command of the Constitution. It is therefore always open to Americans to challenge a law abridging free speech and assembly by showing that there was no emergency justifying it.

…and I don’t smell an emergency in Germany, nor in Cyberspace.

The discussion on BoingBoing rapidly heads-off into territory where all sides are trying to out-Godwin each other (“first one to justify accusing your opponent, wins!”) – but when a pro-free-speech librarian writes:

nowimnothing: If I don’t have a book in my library that offends you, then I am not doing my job.

…and Antinous makes the cogent, reasoned response:

Antinous: Honestly, that just makes you sound like a rebellious twelve year-old.

…the quality of the BoingBoing moderator’s ability to reason and engage with the blog’s readership could not be more jaw-droppingly clear.

Comments

4 responses to “Surprised at Antinous, moderator of #BoingBoing forums, coming down as pro-censorship”

  1. I really like BoingBoing, but I’m not a fan of Antinous.

  2. Dave Walker

    Wonderful Brandeis quote, and I’m on the side of “more speech” – although it’s sad to see that many countries have moved on from “the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government” to something else.

    I definitely smell an emergency brewing in Germany, though, as emergencies in other parts of Europe begin to exert an influence.

    nowimnothing isn’t far from advocating sensible practice, though; I have a handful of books in my library which offend me (I wouldn’t know whether they offend “you”), as I think the “Know Your Enemy” principle can be usefully applied to intellectual and philosophical opponents too.

  3. I think the claim that “Disgusting speech is best met with more speech”, can be regarded as both an empirical claim and a philosophical position.

    My suspicion is Antinous may be empirically right, although I couldn’t find much in the way of empirical attempts to answer the question.

    Voltaire’s contention was that even if oppressing free speech is expedient it is still not desirable, that we might get less hate crime by suppressing hate speech is not worth the risk to the other aspects of post-enlightenment living.

    I’m very pro free speech, not least because of the opponents I see are generally the types you want to be on the other side of, but Antonious may have a point of sorts.

  4. Renee

    Antinous has forgotten that his job is to moderate. Many if not most of his comments are uncalled for, belittling, and showcase his need to prove he knows more than anyone else. I suspect he burned out long ago and needs a very long vacation or perhaps a new job.

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