Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins

I think that I know which of the two:

  1. A ubiquitous network of number-plate-recognition speed cameras
  2. Having to insure a SORN vehicle that’s disassembled in your garage

…horrifies me the most, but the two of them combined, beggars belief!

[www.theregister.co.uk]

A “24×7 national vehicle movement database” that logs everything on the UK’s roads and retains the data for at least two years is now being built, according to an Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) strategy document leaked to the Sunday Times. The system, which will use Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR), and will be overseen from a control centre in Hendon, London, is a sort of ‘Gatso 2’ network, extending. enhancing and linking existing CCTV, ANPR and speedcam systems and databases.

Which possibly explains why the sorcerer’s apprentices in ACPO’s tech section don’t seem to have needed any kind of Parliamentary approval to begin the deployment of what promises to be one the most pervasive surveillance systems on earth.

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The primary aims claimed for the system are tackling untaxed and uninsured vehicles, stolen cars and the considerably broader one of ‘denying criminals the use of the roads.’ But unless the Times has got the spacing wrong, having one every quarter of a mile on motorways quite clearly means they’ll be used to enforce speed limits as well, which would effectively make the current generation of Gatsos obsolete. Otherwise, checking a vehicle’s tax and insurance status every 15 seconds or thereabouts would seem overkill.

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The new offence of keeping a vehicle without insurance criminalises the previously harmless pastime of keeping an uninsured vehicle in a garage and not driving it, and comes on top of the previous breakthrough of criminalising keeping an untaxed vehicle in a garage and not driving it. The latter was dealt with by requiring owners to register the vehicle as off the road via a Statutory Off-Road Notification. The administrative convenience of turning not doing anything wrong into a crime will allow the Government to issue fixed penalty notices for failing to renew insurance on time, while there’s also now a fixed penalty for late renewal of tax discs (previously, you could pay in arrears). In both cases the penalties are clearly only going to hit people who’ve previously been registered with the system. Dealing with the large numbers of entirely unregistered and uninsured vehicles will require real-time alerts and pursuit, and these vehicles will have to be differentiated from the many foreign registered cars on the UK’s roads. As it will be a lot easier and cheaper to fine the law-abiding but forgetful than it will be to deal with the hardline serial offenders, we think we can guess which way this one will go.

In addition to the tax and insurance ‘benefits’, the proposed two year retention period for the “national vehicle movement database” provides police with a potentially powerful resource for surveillance and for future investigations. Vehicles can be ‘tailed’ remotely, and particular drivers’ past movements can be put together far more easily than in the case of CCTV footage (faces, frustratingly, not yet having number plates). One can also see potential in the ability to link ANPR data with CCTV footage of the vehicle, which to some extent would number plate your face (best avoid baseball caps).

And shall we highlight the usefulness of the system in the war on terror before they do? As the recent Metropolitan police document lobbying for detention periods of up to 90 days without charge made clear, the security services’ current approach is to move in quickly in response to terror tips, then to sift computers, search homes, and investigate individuals’ circumstances and friends in search of actual evidence. Being able to see where they’d been for the last two years as well would be really helpful. Don’t worry though – if you haven’t done anything wrong you’ve nothing to fear. Unless your name comes up in an Algerian security service interrogation…

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7 responses to “Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins”

  1. Elfie
    re: Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins

    At what point does a pile of car bits gradually accruing in your garage come to be classed as an insurable/sornable potential car? 🙂

  2. Katz
    Let’s compare this stuff to the USA…

    I can give you some comparisons as to what us colonials are doing…

    Each individual state has regulations surrounding automobile insurance. Almost all states require insurance or a bond purchase and require specific liability coverages. For a car that is immobile or in the garage or is being assembled it can be on your insurance policy but with no coverage. You aren’t assessed a surcharge for the vehicle but the insurance company does register that it belongs to you. This is useful for a variety of reasons. If a tree falls on the MG you’re re-assembling you can get some cash to replace it with a new project car if you’re paying for minimal coverage on it.

    Each individual state has regulations surrounding registering automobiles. Almost all states have the ability to register a vehicle as non-operational for a reduced fee. Usually a significantly reduced fee. Some states have a flat automobile reigistration fee while others have a fee based on the value of a vehicle. However, when registering a vehicle as non-operational that fee is dropped to $20 or $30 vs. up to $1100 for something extravagent like a Bentley or Lamborghini.

    We don’t have speed cameras in the US due to some constitutional wrangling; something about the use of the camera prusumes guilt before innocence. We do have cameras for red lights and some of them use photo recognition on plates. We also have constables with radar and laser speed cameras in their cars… they zap you and record your speed. Some of those may have photo recognition for plates for administrative purposes, but as a driver the officer still pulls you over and writes a citation on the spot.

  3. Dave Walker
    re: Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins

    Following on from Elfie’s comment above, it’s long been known in Cambridge folklore that if you pick a bicycle up off the ground, it (apparently) legally becomes classified as a parcel rather than a vehicle. Thus – although maybe apocryphally – inebriated students have been able to avoid being prosecuted for being drunk in charge of a bicycle by carrying their transport rather than wheeling it.

    So, will a car be recognised as a car if it’s up on bricks? What about if the wheels are off? Moreover, are the police going to be able to get search warrants for your garage to see what state any car within is in?

  4. Stephen Usher
    re: Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins

    Of course, the next level will be when everyone has to buy car insurance whether they have a car or not, just in case they get one.

    You have to wonder how much the insurance industry is paying for this in back-handers.

    As for the Gatso-2’s: It’s a wonderful way of tracking people. It’s just ripe for abuse.

  5. Stephen Usher
    PS.

    I wonder how much scrap yards will have to pay…

  6. Dave Walker
    re: Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins

    Enforcing this is going to be effectively impossible, of course.

    DVLA will probably start bombarding every UK resident over 17 who has a driving licence but no car insurance with threatening letters, just as Capita bombards households without a TV licence today on behalf of the TV licensing authority.

    Just as I’m aware of some folk without a TV buying a TV licence just to make the threatening letters stop, the same may go for car insurance.

    The TVLA doesn’t have the authority to search your house, I would expect DVLA couldn’t search your garage. As for the “when is a car not a car” thread above, I’d suspect it would be a case of “if it has a VIN, it’s a car”.

    Here’s a thought, though – as one of the many, many factors used for calculating car insurance premiums is how many miles you drive in a year, how much would car insurance be, for a car where that number is zero?

    While the mileage will almost certainly be a scaled multiplier in the formula used to calculate the premium, it would be lovely if it was a divisor 🙂

  7. Stephen Usher
    re: Gatso 2: rollout of UK’s ’24×7 vehicle movement database’ begins

    But then someone with a car in a garage which is never driven would have an infinite bill for thier insurance. 🙂

    Actually, the number of miles driven seems to make very little difference to the premium in my experience. I dropped mine from 12000 miles to 9000 miles and it was about £10 difference (out of ~£400).

    I also enquired about changing from full comprehensive to 3rd party, fire and theft and the quote was only about £20 difference. It was far too small to bother changing.

    The whole car insurance business is a racket. They say that it’s a loss making business and a loss leader for other business but then climb over themselves trying to get you to buy their, apparently loss making, policy. It just doesn’t add up.

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